Amy Riordan: 0:01
"The courage to say the thing that could end the relationship could very well be the exact thing that saves it." - Paige Wilhide.
Amy Riordan: 0:18
Welcome to the Amy Riordan podcast. They say owning a business is a journey in self development, so I decided to explore just that. Whether you're an entrepreneur or looking for fulfillment in your day to day life, get inspired here through interviews, life stories and proven self help techniques. What you do with the information received in this podcast is completely up to you, but if you act, you will alter the course of your life in ways you never could have possibly imagined. I'm Amy Riordan. Let's do this.
Amy Riordan: 0:46
I'm here with Paige Wilhide, and she's going to give us some details on dating. So let's dive in Paige! Tell us a little bit about yourself.
Paige Wilhide: 0:54
Hi, everybody. I'm so excited to be here. I talk about dating and breakups and relationships and all of the emotions and resistance and fear and all the stuff that comes up for us when, when we're in a relationship, looking for a relationship, or leaving a relationship.
Amy Riordan: 1:17
So what made you want to do this? What made you interested in talking about dating, breakups and relationships overall?
Paige Wilhide: 1:24
Well, I've been in so many relationships in my life. I have moved from relationship to relationship, and I've learned so much along the way. And, most recently, I started doing a lot of personal development, because what I really, what I really found out was that I wanted to find my person, like I want I want to find the love of my life. You know, the person who I can travel with and see the world with and, move through life's adventures with and cross off my bucket list with, you know? So, uh, when I realized that I was like, I've been doing something - there's something that I'm not doing right, you know? If I'm not, if I'm going through these same patterns and finding the same kind of men, what is it that's wrong, because it's like something with me, right? It's not them. It's not the man that's bad or wrong. It's It's something that like that I need to look at. So I started doing a lot of work on myself and personal development, and I've really come a long way, and I really - I just want to share that with other people. I love talking to men and women about dating, and I just like love talking about dating. It's so much fun for me to do.
Amy Riordan: 2:41
I wanted to start on the, well downer side, I'm putting up little air quotations. Breakups, and the reason I put up little air quotes is because for me, I feel like I've I mean, you know, obviously you're saying you learn a lot about yourself; you learn a lot about the relationships there in... What was wrong with them, what was right with them. And obviously it helps you to, like, figure out what you want as far as a person, but as well as you. So let's talk about breakups. Where do you stand with breakups? What have you learned? And what do you want to tell people about breakups?
Paige Wilhide: 3:18
Oh, gosh, I have so much to say about breakups. Well, what really pushed me into this work was my most recent breakup. So I was with a man for 2.5 years, we lived together, I moved across the country for him. It was the first boyfriend I have ever lived with and we broke up several months ago and it's been a huge transition for me, like just this huge journey. My life looks completely different than it did four months back. And what I want people to know about breakups is - This is not the permanent feeling. Like, it sucks. It really sucks when you're going through it, it doesn't feel good and it won't feel this way forever. So just know that you will get through it, like there have been times where I've been going through a break up and I have broken down and cried in public. When I, when I first started my production company, I joined a networking group and it was a morning networking group and I went to, I went to the meeting. It was the day after I had broken up with my previous boyfriend and I stand up and I give my pitch and I could not make it through the pitch. I choked up and started crying halfway through while standing up in front of a group of like 35 people who are all business acquaintances, and I just, like, ran to the bathroom and broke down. And so, that shit happens. Like that's the kind of stuff that happens in a break up and it's OK, like all of those emotions; all of those feelings, showing those feelings are totally okay. So I want you to know that it's not the end of the world. It does feel; in a sense, it is like a death, right? Like somebody, somebody in your life passed away. That is what it feels like, because you have been so wrapped up and in an intimate container with them, and then all of a sudden you have to find this new normal; it's just like they call it a break up because you're just breaking off that agreement. And you're like required to find this new normal and you feel really lost. So, if you're going through it right now, if you're like, feeling it, the number one thing I want you to know is that this is not permanent. It will move through you and, um, and there are a bunch of things you could do to help the process along. So if you are a woman, I would say one of the biggest things that has helped me through my break up is connecting with other women around this. And, they don't have to be going through a break up, but just like having women in your life who understand that it is okay to be vulnerable, it's OK to show your feelings. It's totally normal to cry and, like just having a woman who will hold you and let you cry on her shoulder, it has been the best thing for me. Another thing is to journal daily. Journal every single day, several times a day. If you have to, just get your feelings out. Not only does it help like alchemize all of this stuff that's coming up for you, but it also documents like where you are so that you can look back on these pages and say, 'Oh my God, I made it through this. I can make it through anything', right? You're like, 'I forgot that that that was like a really dark time for me' and when you're like out of it, you sort of forget those feelings. So being able to document them, you can look back and say, uh, I am a strong, powerful motherfucker. And for men, I would say, I know it's like a little bit harder for men to find other men to connect with, but try to find a men's group in your area. You know, it's really great to talk to other men about your feelings, and there aren't enough like spaces as safe spaces for men to be able to do that. So, yeah, I would say those those of the most important things. And then the last thing I'll say is that I hired a therapist and a coach before I went through my break up, because I knew it was ending, and I knew it was gonna be hard and I needed a support system. So I built that in for myself, like I really took care of myself through this process. I've been through breakups before, like before, all of my work that I've done; before my personal development work, where I would go out drinking and get hammered and make out with men on have sex with random guys and just, like, throw myself around because I thought it would make me feel better. Because it was like, if I get attention from men, then I'll be OK. And really what it is, is you need to put the attention on yourself.
Amy Riordan: 8:05
Paige Wilhide: 8:06
And turn in; really take care of yourself during this process.
Amy Riordan: 8:09
I really love that you said that - You need to pay attention to yourself, because I really feel that... so my bucket list has got me through a lot of breakups. One really, really big bad one in particular, and that's actually the next question I wanted to ask you, it's kind of perfect. So you have a bucket list? How has it changed since the break up? Like where; to what extent? Have you - did you see any goals that were ones that you didn't think you needed anymore? And did you add anything additional?
Paige Wilhide: 8:40
Yeah. You know, it's really interesting that you say that I, just recently have started looking at sobriety in my life. And, looking at what I can accomplish if I am not using alcohol, love, drugs, like all those things. Not that I've, like been, you know, not that I feel like I have a problem in any way, but just, letting those things in my life not motivate me and instead be motivated by my own spirit and my own passion and my own purpose. Right?
Amy Riordan: 9:29
No, I love that. I love that. That's huge, because it's an angle that that people don't think about. Like, your minds changes after this. Like, I guess maybe an example from where I'm coming from is I had all these goals on my bucket list that weren't mine, and they didn't realize until after the break up, and I just thought that was shocking. I was like, 'What the hell? I don't want that Don't want that. Don't want that. Why did I ever think I wanted that?'
Paige Wilhide: 9:55
Wow, that's so interesting. So you're like desire sort of got wrapped up with his and. then you couldn't differentiate what - who was who's.
Amy Riordan: 10:08
Paige Wilhide: 10:08
Yeah. Um, that's so interesting that you say that because I've been - I've been looking a lot at my co dependency and how I get in relationships and in relationships how I rely on the other person to like be the thing for me, for everything. Is like, be my best friend. be my support, be my cheerleader, make me dinner, right? Like, take me out. Be my financial support when I need it. Whatever it is, right? And that's a lot to put on somebody instead of being ah whole person, coming together with another whole person and sharing your lives together and like it doesn't - you don't have to have overlapping bucket lists. You know, you can do your own individual things. I don't have a desire to go skydiving, like I just don't. But if I meet a man who was like, I'm adventurous, I want to go skydiving. I'm like, 'Great, you do that. And then afterward, you know, we can go to a like eight course, five-star sushi thing like Okocha Um Okay, hold that. I know the word, uh, where it's like a tasting menu for sushi...
Amy Riordan: 11:27
I don't know. I've never heard about that. Sounds fantastic.
Paige Wilhide: 11:30
It's amazing. And I lived in Japan for a year, and now I can't even remember the world. But anyway, I'll think of it. So it's like we could do that after, right? If that you know, if that's something that he wants to do. So it's; I think it's really important, whether you're in a relationship or you're looking for a relationship, to understand who you are as a person and what you want. Like that is that is the foundational work that I do with people that I work with. It's like the first question is, what do you want? And then and then through that you can you can take steps in your life to intentionally work towards those things rather than being like I want. I want someone to come and do bucket list stuff with me or I want to share. You know, I want to travel with somebody. It's like, Well, what kind of travel do you want to do, right? Who do you want to be with? How do you want to be in this relationship? How do you want to feel when you're with him? How do you want to be treated? All of those things will inform the decisions you make, right. The more specific you could be about what you want, the better and more intentional your decisions can be.
Amy Riordan: 12:43
Agreed completely. That's one thing that a lot of people don't realize. I love; I love how you talked about two whole people coming together because it's so true. You feel like there's an empty part of you you have to fill with another person. And that's that's Ah, I love how you said that. That's perfect.
Paige Wilhide: 13:04
Yeah, I'll say, I'll say like, the way that I see it is, a lot of people see a relationship. It's 50 50 right? If you bring 50%, I'll bring 50% and what that creates is this, like, kind of commerce relationship, where it's like I'm going to contribute 50 and you're gonna contribute 50. It's like, 'No, how about we each contribute 100% of what we can were 100 and 100. So I'm gonna put in everything I can and rely on you to put in everything you can. And you know, if I feel that you are not, you know, holding down your end of the bargain, we're gonna talk about that and say, like, What's what's happening here? What's going on? Are you feeling you know you're pulling back what's going on?' But it really takes two whole people to make a full, powerful, epic relationship.
Amy Riordan: 13:57
Yes, and what my mom always says is there's not always gonna be even sides. You're gonna feel like you're giving more sometimes. But you know, she gets extreme and she even says, like, 'Okay, there's, you know, maybe the spouse. One of the spouses is going to college. So the other has to, like, do more dishes, clean the house more, whatever it is you're giving a lot more than you're getting back. But say like, 50 years from now, one of you gets ill and can't walk and can't take care of themselves, it's gonna be constantly like back and forth, given, take, give and take. And it's never going to be even. And that's definitely something that I know, is a big, big factor. When people go through breakups, they just feel like they gave all themselves, completely got nothing in return. Which, obviously there are the relationship that are that way, but you have to remember the watch when they're giving their 100. And you're clearly giving your 20.
Paige Wilhide: 14:54
Yep. Oh, totally. And I've been on both ends of that, right? Where it's like I've just kind of given up and not really putting in as much as I was getting out. And I was like, .This isn't working for me.. You know, it's not fun. It's not fun to like - to not feel like a contribution. We all want to feel like a contribution and in our own way. So, you know, I tell people when you are looking for a relationship when you're dating, figure out what it is that you want to contribute to a relationship and what you want to get out of a relationship like then you can... Then you could just put it all on the table of front and say, 'Hey, I'm I'm willing to, willing and like, excited to cook free, for example. Like I love cooking. I love making food for my dates, you know, and like having them over and just like creating a beautiful kind of romantic experience like I would love to cook for you and I want to be taken care of in my way too, right? Like, I would love for you to pick me up and drive me places, this kind of thing. Right? So it's like that give and take of, What do you bring to a relationship? And then what do you want to get out of it?
Amy Riordan: 16:00
So how do you go in depth with teaching people how to figure that out? Where do they start when they want to figure out what they want in a relationship?
Paige Wilhide: 16:11
Oh, man, where to begin. So, there's something that I thought that I do and you can do it on your own too. There's something I do call desire pulling and it is a method of figuring out what you want, and so what I'll do - and you can do this with a friend or you could just do it right it in a journal if you don't have a person to do it with. But what I'll do is I'll say, 'What do you want?' And then I'll have the person respond and I'll say, 'Thank you. What do you want?, Thank you. What do you want?' They respond. 'Thank you. What do you want?' They respond. Back and forth for, like three to five minutes, right? I mean, you could do it up to 10 minutes, if you want. What happens here is that the first couple, like surface desires will come out, right? And it's like, I want a lot of money. I want a big house. I want a family, right? All all the things that like we know to be true and that are like the sort of big picture surface desires. And then what happens is once you've, like, got all those out, you're like wait, 'What else? What else do I want?' And that's where the juicy stuff comes in. Like that's where you start to dive deeper and get this like, these really potent, more vulnerable desires, right? Like I want... Let's see, trying to think if I know if I can like thing of one that I've discovered recently. It's like, um, it's an example of something that's like, more vulnerable and potent would be, 'I wanna lay down on the bed naked and have a man worship my body for an hour." You know? And like that, can't you just feel the sensation there? And honestly, if you told a man that he'd be like, 'I'm on board. Yes, Yes please! Where can I sign up? Right? So it's just like those are like the really, really hot desires, once you start once, you kind of clear away the surface level clutter and get deeper. So that's an exercise that I do with people in like helping them excavate what their desire really is.
Amy Riordan: 18:25
That's perfect. That's definitely one I'm going to try because I haven't heard of that. And I love how detailed it gets. And that's important because that's actually one of the things that I am going to be discussing in my lectures is you need to have detailed goals. That's very, very important, not just because you want it to be a certain way, but also because it's showing you who you are in a much, much deeper way. But you reminded me of the 'Five Why's'. Have you heard of the 'Five Why's'?
Paige Wilhide: 18:56
Amy Riordan: 18:58
So, I can't remember who I heard this from, but they would go and they're like, OK, clearly you want to be skinny. So, like, this is actually me. I was like, I want I want to be a size four. And they were, like, Why? And I said, Well, I just I want to feel confident about myself. And then they kept asking why and the end result. Get this. - This is hysterical. I was like, this is, you know, cheesy. What is this? - The end result was, in my head, I look at people who are fit as having full control over their life.
Paige Wilhide: 19:33
I hear that. Yeah.
Amy Riordan: 19:35
Paige Wilhide: 19:37
Just WOW. And got from from that exercise.
Amy Riordan: 19:42
Yep. And it just asking yourself, why five times. So, it's very - I can see a similarity, but they're two completely different methods.
Paige Wilhide: 19:49
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But I I'm so on board with being specific. Like that is the most important thing. Because you can. Like I said, you could be more intentional about your steps. Right? So, men and women tend to look at time differently. So, and I didn't I didn't really believe like the ticking talk - ticking, haha - ticking talk. I really believe, like the ticking clock thing, right until I turned 30 and then I was like, 'Whoa, this is really like my I feel my body getting older.' And it just happens, and if I want to have a family like I do, I want to have children, there's a timeline for me. You know, if I want to have bite my biological children, of course there's other ways to do it. And now there's all these methods. But, there is this, like timeline and men don't have that, right? So it's interesting when when you're in a 2.5 year relationship like I was and you, I left that relationship and I looked at the last 2.5 years before that, and I was like, I wasted a lot of time. Men don't see it that way. You know, men are like, Oh, you know, that was 2.5 years and I can move on and find my person. You know, whatever, but for women, it's really like I - I wasted a lot of time. So, in dating, we tend to waste; we tend to waste time. We tend to, like, spend time with people that we know we're not right for us. Or like we think maybe they can change. Maybe, like oh, he says he doesn't want children, but like, if he loves me more, he'll want Children down the road, right? He might want children eventually. So we, like, really tend to abandon our deal breakers in order to in order to stay in something that, like isn't that we know clearly is not right for us, right? We ignore our intuition and are got so it's so important to know exactly what you want before you go on the first date, before you, like, swipe on somebody or anything like that, you really have to tune in and know what you want. So someone will come to me and say, 'Well, I want a relationship.' And I'm like like, 'Okay. Do you want a casual relationship? Do you want just like a fling? Do you want something that is, short term? Do you want a three to six months thing? Do you want someone, you know, do you want a father of your children? Do you want to grow old with somebody? What is it that you are looking for specifically?' Because the more specific you can get, the easier it is to weed out all the people that don't fit it and not waste your time, like we don't have - We don't have time! - So just like, I don't know people. People tend to be scared to say what they want on the first date, right? It's like, 'No, I don't want to tell him what I want on the first date because, like, what if he doesn't like me? Or, you know, he might be the one.' - Well, the one will respect you for saying what you want and want the same things. So why not just, like, say it up front? Just conquer that fear out of the gate, not worry about it and find your person faster.
Amy Riordan: 23:06
Knowing exactly what you want is really hard to begin with, but yeah, saying it on the first date could be - whew... that could be really tough.
Paige Wilhide: 23:13
I mean, I would encourage people to say it even before the first date. Like really, there's no point in investing time in somebody who really does not want the same things you do. I do not want to go out on a first date with a man who does not want children. There is no no point. And that for me, Unless I just want to have a good time,
Amy Riordan: 23:36
Which clearly, you don't. You have bigger goals for yourself, which is great.
Paige Wilhide: 23:41
Amy Riordan: 23:41
And I mean, a lot of people could bring that up using their bucket list. They could ask them if they have a bucket list and what's on it, and then it slowly just ease into that.
Paige Wilhide: 23:51
I love that question for a first date. That's such a good first state question.
Amy Riordan: 23:56
Unless you don't have a bucket list.
Paige Wilhide: 23:57
Well, then you gotta, you gotta listen to this podcast
Amy Riordan: 24:02
Yess and you need to create one.
Paige Wilhide: 24:04
You got to create one, take your course.
Amy Riordan: 24:07
Yes.Take the course. I haven't even talked about the course yet. We're gonna have to have a little, a little trailer on that really. I'm really excited.
Paige Wilhide: 24:15
Spoiler alert. There's a course.
Amy Riordan: 24:17
Yes, there is a course, and it will be, well might as well link it below this one. This podcast to start.
Paige Wilhide: 24:25
Amy Riordan: 24:26
Before we go into sex and relationships, because I feel like that's gonna be a really good one and something - a high note we can end on, right? I want to know a little more about the therapist and the coach that you got for your break up. I know we're going a little bit back here, but how? - I know a lot of people really struggle with the idea of using a therapist or a coach or either and I think some people think it's a bunch of hooey. So tell me how it's helped you, like obviously, you said it's a different method of attack as far as like moving forward, but what specifically has you moving forward through it?
Paige Wilhide: 25:06
Yeah. So, the the therapist was really great at helping me, sort of look at my past and my past relationships and like helping me know that I was gonna be okay. That's really what I feel like the therapist provided for me. There's something so powerful about having a neutral party that you talk to, who is not invested in him, who doesn't know you guys, right? Like, I can talk to my mom, right? But my mom always wants what's best for me, no matter what. And she'll like - and same with my friends, right? And my friend's might talk like, say, bad things about him. And , I don't need that. I need a neutral party who, like is really impartial and is just here to listen. And like, guide me on this journey. And so the therapist was really good with that. The coach was really good with helping me see the future and helping me see forward to what I want and what I'm creating in the world and helping support me along that path. So that's how I help people is through coaching and like holding them true to what their vision is in a relationship and what they really want out of a relationship. So that's what I see the difference. Some people ask what's never sweet therapy and coaching? Coaching is helping you move forward and hold this like - they sort of hold this bigger vision that you have for yourself. They help you really be super powerful in this world, and the therapist is more like helping you through, like healing old patterns and, you know, looking at, like maybe some trauma stuff and healing some of that. They're similar, but, like, very different in terms of how they help.
Amy Riordan: 27:10
I really like to the point you made about your mom because she is going to be biased, you know, she's well, obviously she wants the best for you, which is a very good mom. But, you know, she's gonna be like, 'Oh, yeah, he's a jerk. It's time to move on.' It's very - it's not neutral at all.
Paige Wilhide: 27:22
Totally. And what I would find talking to my mom is I would get mad. I'd be like Mom, I don't need advice. I just need you to listen. I just need you to, like, listen and not fix it, right? I call her crying, and she'd be like, 'Oh, my gosh, what's wrong? Maybe you should do this. Maybe you sh-', I'm like, 'No, I don't need that right now'. You know? And so that was just not helpful and triggering. And it didn't help her either. Like, nobody felt good. So that's when I was like, I need a neutral party to talk to.
Amy Riordan: 27:50
Well and there's some things you can't tell your mom that you need to talk about; some things you can't tell your friends that you need to talk about.
Paige Wilhide: 27:56
Amy Riordan: 27:58
So one sidebar note, I wanted to ask. Have you read the Love Languages?
Paige Wilhide: 28:04
Amy Riordan: 28:05
And how do you feel about that book?
Paige Wilhide: 28:07
I really like it in terms of understanding that people are different in relationships like that's really what it comes down to, right? We all communicate love differently. And, it's really great to look at, like, how do I give love? How do I like to receive love? How does he give love? And how does he like to receive love? When you can understand those things, you just get this like you could just get in so much faster, right? You're like, Oh, he loves gifts. I'm gonna give him a gift next time I see him and he will know that I really care about him. So those, I think it's really good in terms of that. For me, personally, I love all the love languages. Like I'm like, I want love in all of these ways. Some people are very strong in some categories and for me, I'm just like I don't know if, like, just one of these defines to me, right? Like I want quality time and acts of service and I want gets, you know, I want all with things. So, yeah, you know, it's a methodology and it's kind of like, you know, created by the I forget his name. But the author of the book who created this methodology on the point of it is that we all communicate love differently, so understand the way you do it and understand the way your partner does it. And you will have such an easier time in dating and relationships.
Amy Riordan: 29:27
And we're gonna link his book below as well, so that you guys can check that out. It's called the Five Love Languages, and we both think it's genius.
Paige Wilhide: 29:35
It's hot. Yeah,
Amy Riordan: 29:37
Alright Paige, sex. What advice do you give people on sex?
Paige Wilhide: 29:42
Amy Riordan: 29:43
Big question. Wide open.
Paige Wilhide: 29:44
I know, right? So let's - I guess, like in terms of dating, we can talk about sex because there's like, I don't know, there's some old school rules about, 'Wait till the third date to have sex or whatever, right? The thing about, like, just scientifically sexually, men. - There's like an attachment hormone that happens when you have sex. So when two people bring their bodies together and have that intimate moment with each other, there is this sense of attachment and it lasts, for men, a couple days afterward. So, like they'll feel attached for a couple days after you have sex. For women, it lasts like two weeks, three weeks. And you stay attached for a longer period of time. So there's - this is when people are like, 'Women are crazy, like I slept with her once and like she's calling me all the time,' or whatever. But there is - woman woman, who just slept with that man, you are not wrong. OK? You are feeling those things; you're feeling attachment, and it's like, scientifically okay, like that's just science. And know that. Just know that, next time you you are intimate with somebody or thinking about being intimate with somebody, just know that it causes you to stay attached to him longer. And, you know, I think I think sex is amazing. Sex is so important. I, really, it is all your desire. And this is something that we explorer is, 'What is it that you want sexually', right? Like, what do you want a man to do for you sexually? And being open and communicative about that. A lot of people don't communicate in sex. You know, they're like, I should expect you to know what to do, right? Or, you've got to know what to do. You've had sexual partners before, and that's not the case. Like, we're all different and really women, I'll tell you, men just want to know how to be good. Like they just wanna, you know, they really want to know what works. And if you can tell them what works, it's so great. Like, it's not super hot, but I can be right like you can - you can make it hot and be like, 'Oh, you know, when you do that thing, that really makes my body, like, go crazy. Right? So there are ways that you can make it hot and tell him what you like, rather than like being his, you know, teacher or whatever. Like this way and this way, and this way. Make it hot. And tell him what you like and tell them what you don't like. And, we're all different sexually. Like, we talked about the five love languages. There are also different sexual blueprints, and there is a quiz you can take online. I don't know if you know about Jaiya, but, j i y a and can link it below the sexual blueprint quiz. And you can figure out what your sexual blueprint is. So take the blueprint and see what you are, and then have your partner take it, right? So you can you can start opening up that conversation, through the sexual blueprint. Also, sex is so reflective of what's going on in your relationship. It's 100% a reflection of what's going on in your relationship. So like, you can have you can have, like, really amazing sex one day, and then the next day it's like, what happened? Like this doesn't - none of this worked - why were we so disconnected? And it's probably like, I will put my money on, someone is not saying something in the relationship. There is; someone's withholding something or someone is like, you know, distracted or disconnected, one or both of you are. So, sex is very reflective of what's going on the relationship. If someone's lying in sex, they might be lying in other places in the relationship, and you need to need to look at.
Amy Riordan: 33:45
Oh wow, that's a good note to end on. Look into your relationships you guys. Figure out if they're actually something that's worthwhile or something that you need to get out of. Thank you so much Paige, for being here. Thank you again. This has been really, really good, very eye opening and I think will be good for people's bucket lists.
Paige Wilhide: 34:07
I hope so. I hope you all have better sex.
Amy Riordan: 34:11
Thank you so much. I know you have a webinar to get to.
Paige Wilhide: 34:13
Amy Riordan: 34:13
Alright. Well, like I said, everything is linked below. And if you have any questions for Page, I'll put her details below as well, because you might need to reach out to her for some relationship advice here soon.
Paige Wilhide: 34:26
Thank you soon. Thank you!
Amy Riordan: 34:27
Amy Riordan: 34:28
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